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[funeralcrasher]

i am upset because one of the few Christians I really admire & respect just left xiangoth.net. see my friend used to post on another "christian goth" site called Enclave and that's where we met. Both of us felt unwelcome there because we were a small minority of people who weren't spiritually conservative, and certain other members constantly used us to display their deep-rooted religious hatre and intolerance. . Eventually he left because he couldn't carry on a peaceful discussion with anyone without others accusing him of being lukewarm or misleading others.. which he clearly was not doing unlesss you think that believing in love and grace is ungodly.
So i created xiangoth.net a couple years ago so people like he and I could have a SAFE place to discuss our spirituality. Some who posted on Enclave followed him to XGN and continued their right-wing conservative antics, but eventually they left becuase they didn't have an approving audience.
but some remained and have conitnued picking and picking and inciting becuase they feel its their right to tell us how fucked up we are and to show us our path is a highway to hell.
maybe i should have banned those who conitnued picking.. but then am I doing the same thing they are in reverse? i didn't. i liet them stay *hoping* they'd get a clue and realize there are a dozen other "christian goth" forums online filled with people just like them. and none friendly to people like me.
and that's what I hate about christians.. they'd rather push someone over the edge than show others God's love and grace. they have a fucking point to prove and god dammnit they're gonna prove it no matter the cost. oh it burns me up!
how many people have committed suicide due to religious assholes like which can be found at godscare.net or godhatesfags.com? how many others RAN away from anything christian becuase all they know of christ is what fuckwits like pat robertson have to say. forgive me God but I wish they'd all fucking die. Your world would be a much better place.

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[giveawayboy.livejournal.com]

this sounds so much like a sermon i heard recently. the pastor was talking about how it's no suprise that people in other religions are hostile toward Christ. they have never seen Jesus because of Christianity. here's something for you, evangelicals are always bashing the pharisees when WE are the pharisees of today. who are we to judge. the fucking tree in our eye is so huge.

later, Bill

[dreampalaces.livejournal.com]

Hi Adrya,

I'm sorry about leaving XGN, but I felt that it was something I needed to do. Each successive wave of conservatives spewing the same garbage and expressing the same hypocritical, two-faced set of rhetorical rules takes a little something out of me, and finally it just took too much.

Interestingly, a lot of what I had written but deleted is more or less along the lines of what you said here. I was practically begging Night Hawk and DreamsinFire to just leave us alone or to look at us as actual human beings who are struggling along in our faith, and to try to exhibit some sense of fairness and decency by treating our views as legitimate and worthy of legitimate discussion. I deleted it, though, because I had already done that, and if pleading with them once wasn't going to affect any change, then I didn't think doing it a second time would... I know all too well not to anticipate any sort of humaneness from conservatives. As you said, they have a point to make, and damnit if they're not going to "prove" it no matter the cost.

Towards the end there, I really tried to reinvest emotionally, spiritually and socially in XGN, but ultimately with those guys there it just wasn't a constructive environment. Because every wave of conservatives is as stupid and ignorant as the last, it ended up being a neverending circle of the same debates and same rhetoric, and the same utter dismissals of my faith and basic humanity.

I need an environment that helps me to grow and develop as a person and as a Christian, deepening my faith and compelling me to put it into action. I wasn't finding that in these constant uphill battles where no matter what I said, no matter how good my arguments, no matter how much I pulled from Scripture to prove myself, I was never taken seriously enough for them to even bother legitimately contradicting me. And yeah, I had submitted my recommendations for how we could avoid that sort of environment, but they weren't implemented; as we know from experience, when conservatives aren't spanked and sent to their room, they corrupt and pollute everything God intended for good.

If they go, I'd be happy to come back, and I'd be happy to stay if we got serious on immunizing against the virus of conservativism. But with them there, always at the ready to cut us down for no reason than their own say so, not even respecting us enough to bother really debating us, I just can't. A man lives by believing in something, not by debating about many things.

I still love you and Derek and Bill and GutterGlitter though, and look forward to continuing our friendship at least on LJ.

*sigh*

[cynicallynaive.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry i missed that whole commotion, not in a traffic-accident Schadenfreude way (well, maybe that too) but because i can't even begin to understand the dynamics of what happened there without reading it for myself. I entirely understand you wanting to remove the carnage, but is there anywhere i can look for an archive?

Thanks so much for maintaining that forum. I know from Revolution's experience and others that running a site like that exposes you to a lot of flak from all sides. Even tho i haven't been nearly as active there as i'd like, i want you to know your efforts are appreciated.

[vinlander71.livejournal.com]

These hateful so-called "Christians" do nothing to emulate Christ. (This going on the assumption that a Christian tries to emulate Christ and follow his teachings.)

Perhaps those types could be called "Paulists"? Paul was very homophobic and hated himself. Sounds a bit fitting. My knowledge of the bible is sketchy so don't mind me.

-V-
.. gothic heathen :)