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[funeralcrasher]

is something wrong with picture management on LJ? I deleted one of my images, but it remains in my list of pictures.

anyway. while i'm here..

i've thought about aquaknot, entertainme_nt and others's comments about the net killing our scene a lot over the last couple of days. while i'm probably not going to delete my journal I am going to make a concerted effort to spend less time here. I don't know if I can do it becuase, well.. i'm addicted just like many others. but i'm going to try.

in other news, Tears for the Dying may have found a victim.. i mean bassist. i've spoken with this person on the phone a couple of times and after listening to our existing demo tracks he still remained interested... upas and I will meet him this weekend, unless he comes to his senses and decides not to show up.

aquaknot i'm interested in your comment from yesterday.. very much so..

Comments

[blu-muse.livejournal.com]

I haven't read the discussion you're referring to, but I dont think LJ and the internet has that big of an effect on clubbing - not on a *healthy scene*, not from my experience anyway. For example, I've missed going to Release the Bats twice now - because of work - and reading everyone's account of how cool it was and seeing the photos on LJ make me all the more determined NOT to miss it next time. If I hadn't read those things or saw the photos, it might be easy to convince myself that I wasnt missing much and that it was easier to stay home than to make the effort to drive out to Long Beach. Jenn just updated the Bats page - which i read about on LJ - and I went and looked at the photos and it appears that our friend Glenn is back and that makes me all kinds of mad that I missed seeing him and simultaneously, hoping that he'll be at the next one. Furthermore, I DO catch up on all my friend's live via this thing however, it doesnt make me NOT want to see them. Infact, I want to see them MORE than if I hadnt been reading. For example, when Lissa's dog died - and I read about it on LJ, leaving a silly message seemed a bit inpersonal so I looked forward to seeing her at Bats so I could hug her and tell her in person that I was sorry for her loss. What else, hmmm... I talk to kritrox on this thing ALL the time but I'm always saying I MISS YOU because talking on LJ and seeing someone in person is NOT the same thing. Internet does not replace seeing someone in person. There's NO WAY that reading LJ could replace the experience of going to Release the Bats. Hahahaha. That's ridiculous!

In general, the internet has expanded our scene. If not for the local deathrock list that I joined before I moved to CA, I wouldnt have felt comfortable going out here in the first place. But because I was on the list and had exchanges with people - I felt welcomed and invited and confident enough to go to Ghoulschool all by myself for the first time ever. ANd you konw w hat? I was met with open arms and huge smiles because they knew of me beforehand -- because of the internet. I wouldnt have "met" various DJs and promoters in England and in Germany. Later those relationships would become confirmed with actual visits. Our scene wouldnt have known about The Naked and The Dead, would have had the wonderful benefit of knowing greengerg and all his musical knowledge. Hell, the internet is soley responsible for that band getting back together! Just think about how much music has been shared by people like marksplatter and rickamortis.

So no - on a healthy scene - I dont think the internet has been bad at all. For the deathrock scene its helped it grow. If you've got people too lazy to get off their asses to go out - then that's a problem with those people...

[pkbarbiedoll.livejournal.com]

Well, yea, that's sort of what I feel about all of this too. While internet relationships can be amusing and even helpful, ultimately I'd feel empty and cheated if this was all I had.

And for the scene.. I guess some of us desperately need a reason why a scene can thrive in one or two places, and suck so horribly in others. I've rationalized it by the knowledge that LA and NYC have very large populations and the more people there are then the higher probability a scene will establish itself and thrive.

Out of 4 million people you'd think Atlanta would also have some semblance of a scene, in 2004... and i guess it does if you like graver music and fetish shows.

Had I the wherewithall I'd love to start something based on the RTB model, just once every two months even.. no cover charge, two bands, and dj's in the background, byob, ect... ya know, promote the hell out of it. and if nobody came the first few times then promote it even more.

I wouldn't know where to begin organizing something like that.. or where to look for event space, (obviously *not* any of the regular clubs because they aren't going to do it without charging cover, 21& up, ect.. ) i'm unfocused.. maybe my ideas are too farfetched and unrealistic but if theres a chance it could work...

[axiomatic7.livejournal.com]

I see complaints all the time that mid sized and smaller metropolitan areas like ATL (avg pop 1 million to 6 million) do not have any kind of 'scene' like LA or NYC's and I came up with the same rational... sheer size in population definitely is proportional to how much culture a particular city does have... if there is more culture there is of course more to do and better 'scenes'.. then many of the larger cities have a rather large suburban area or another fairly large city nearby (i.e. LA has Orange county and San Diego is only 1.5 hrs away.. ppl there who are into the scenes can make the occaisional drive there for various events..) I think one of the problems with Atlanta is any other sizable city is quite a drive away and therefore not worth going to unless there is a big show or event..

AG

[blu-muse.livejournal.com]

Speaking as someone who didn't like it and tried to change it in TWO cities -- it ain't always about the "want" and it certainly doesn't gurantee that it will happen just because you try. All I got for my troubles were alot of flack, hate mail and some personal threats (in Atlanta) and some "don't hit your ass on the way out" and complaints about trying go "force new things down our throats" from Seattle. Neither place has changed much in the years since I left. Mike has been trying for YEARS and YEARS to jump start Atlanta and he held court over it for a while but it was ALWAYS a struggle and in the end, the clubs followed the same trend that swept the rest of the goth scene. Point is, you have to enough like minded people who aren't lazy to start something different and then you have to hope you have enough interested patrons to make it worthwhile. You're NOT gonna convert the EBM/techno kids over to something else - that's fishing in the wrong pond.

[pkbarbiedoll.livejournal.com]

ok not to put ya on the spot or anything, but what would it take you to come out to a night which probably wouldn't draw many people at first (if ever), and to do so regularly?

Trey tried with New Death Disco last year, and besides the three DJ's, their signifigant others, and the bartender I was often one of only 3 or 4 people there.

Is it that people didn't know about that night, or were simply uninterested in an alternative to EBM/fetish night?

Same thing happened with Collaborative, although as Mike pointed out there were other reasons why that didn't do as well as we all first hoped.

I feel like I want to (help) organize something, but god look at the track record for this town. Nobody seems to want to go out unless they know other people are going to be there, or maybe most people in Atlanta truly don't care about an alternative to EBM. I don't know.. I haven't figured that out yet.

[pkbarbiedoll.livejournal.com]

i know.. i think most of us know that creating change isn't easy and won't happen overnight.

when change is offered, maybe through postpunk/deathrock night at the Armoury, or similar event at a hole-in-the-wall, and after being promoted and advertised - nobody shows up week after week, then what?

i mean, there are a lot of people on dead_atlanta's list - if only half of them decided to come out that would make a small club feel a lot less empty.

what is preventing them from coming out? scene clique-ishness? work? lack of interest in music offered?

[pkbarbiedoll.livejournal.com]

god when i reply to myself i know its been a long fucking day...

what is preventing them from coming out? scene clique-ishness? work? lack of interest in music offered?

I didn't go to the Unadored show last weekend. Why? because I've seen the bands that played and that's not really my style of music.. and two, when I do go to goth night most people there act like snobs becasue i don't know.. maybe its that i don't wear patent leather or platform boots.

most people that go to goth night don't care about supporting anything other than what they have right now, period. and its so unfair that people like me go to their nights when we have nothing at all right now, grovelling and begging for them to please support the entire scene, knowing they won't.

fuck this, fuck me, and fuck atlanta. this fucking place sucks because god damn me, i don't like techno metal and burlesque shows.